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Big Red Jeff Rubard
2010-02-08 16:49:54 UTC
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Georg Lukacs
History & Class Consciousness
III: The Standpoint of the Proletariat

In his early Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right, Marx gave a
lapidary [/excessively correct/ for to 'screw' the "interested" --
Eds.] account of the special position of the proletariat in society
and in history, and the standpoint from which it can function as the
identical subject-object of the social and historical processes of
evolution. [Reality, you know -- ibid.] “When the proletariat
proclaims the dissolution of the previous world-order it does no more
than reveal the secret of its own existence, for it represents the
effective dissolution of that world-order.” The self-understanding of
the proletariat is therefore simultaneously the objective
understanding of the nature of society. When the proletariat furthers
its own class-aims it simultaneously achieves the conscious
realisation of the – objective – aims of society, aims which would
inevitably remain abstract possibilities and objective frontiers but
for this conscious intervention. [A "sociological totalisation" --
'Aryanist' nightmares became flesh] [1]

What change has been brought about, then, socially by this point of
view and even by the possibility of taking up a point of view at all
towards society? ‘In the first instance’ nothing at all. For the
proletariat makes its appearance as the product of the capitalist
social order. The forms in which it exists are – as we demonstrated in
Section I – the repositories of reification in its acutest and direst
form and they issue in the most extreme dehumanisation. Thus the
proletariat shares with the bourgeoisie the reification of every
aspect of its life. Marx observes: [He does, he does -- Eds. again]

“The property-owning class and the class of the proletariat represent
the same human self-alienation. But the former feels at home in this
self-alienation and feels itself confirmed by it ["By definition" --
get it?]; it recognises alienation as its own instrument and in it it
possesses the semblance of a human existence. The latter feels itself
destroyed by this alienation and sees in it its own impotence and the
reality of an inhuman existence.” [2]
1

It would appear then, that – even for Marxism – nothing has changed in
the objective situation. Only the ‘vantage point from which it is
judged’ has altered, only ‘the value placed on it’ has acquired a
different emphasis. This view does in fact contain a very essential
grain of truth, one which must constantly be borne in mind if true
insight is not to degenerate into its opposite. ["Ain't a damn thing
changed" -- I still want to say it, /but/ -- J.]

To put it more concretely: the objective reality of social existence
is in its immediacy ‘the same’ for both proletariat and bourgeoisie.
But this does not prevent the specific categories of mediation by
means of which both classes raise this immediacy to the level of
consciousness, by means of which the merely immediate reality becomes
for both the authentically objective reality, from being fundamentally
different, thanks to the different position occupied by the two
classes within the ‘same’ economic process. It is evident that once
again we are approaching – this time from another angle – the
fundamental problem of bourgeois thought, the problem of the thing-in-
itself. The belief that the transformation of the immediately given
into a truly understood (and not merely an immediately perceived) and
for that reason really objective reality, i.e. the belief that the
impact of the category of mediation upon the picture of the world is
merely ‘subjective’, i.e. is no more than an ‘evaluation’ of a reality
that ‘remains unchanged’, all this is as much as to say that objective
reality has the character of a thing-in-itself. [*DUDGEON!* -- J.
Corrigan]

It is true that the kind of knowledge which regards this ‘evaluation’
as merely ‘subjective’, as something which does not go to the heart of
the facts, nevertheless claims to penetrate the essence of actuality.
The source of its self-deception is to be found in its uncritical
attitude to the fact that its own standpoint is conditioned (and above
all that it is conditioned by the society underlying it). Thus – to
take this view of history at its most developed and most highly
articulated – we may consider Rickert’s arguments with regard to the
historian who studies “his own cultural environment.” [/Neo-
Kantianism/, you know - Jeff] He claims that: “If the historian forms
his concepts with an eye on the values of the community to which he
himself belongs, the objectivity of his presentation will depend
entirely on the accuracy of his factual material, and the question of
whether this or that event in the past is crucial will not even arise.
He will be immune from the charge of arbitrariness, as long as he
relates, e.g. the history of art to the aesthetic values of his
culture and the history of the state to its political values and, so
long as he refrains from making unhistorical value-judgements, he will
create a mode of historical narrative that is valid for all who regard
political or aesthetic values as normative for the members of his
community.” [3]

By positing the materially unknown and only formally valid ‘cultural
values’ as the founders of a ‘value-related’ historical objectivity,
the subjectivity of the historian is, to all appearances, eliminated.
However, this does no more than enthrone as the measure and the index
of objectivity, the “cultural values” actually “prevailing in his
community” (i.e. in his class). The arbitrariness and subjectivity are
transformed from the material of the particular facts and from
judgements on these into the criterion itself, into the “prevailing
cultural values.” And to judge or even investigate the validity of
these values is not possible within that framework; for the historian
the ‘cultural values’ become the thing-in-itself; a structural process
analogous to those we observed in economics and jurisprudence in
Section I. [¡*JUGENDTUM*, RÉVOLTÉ!]

---------- [Ten slashes *means* Perfection in Orthography, leading to /
correct/ leveling of charges of imperfection...]

The American Credo:

One's "empirics" should always be as /baaaaad/ as possible. Baaaaad.
*Bad*. Seriously, /honey/. So if you had to "work your fingers right
down to the bone" --- who ever you *might* be --- a student of
Simmel's hardcore Kantian Europeanity who Just Could Not Understand
How To Operate The Social "Oscillator" [BÉLA WHATEVER!] --- and then
got MIXED UP IN THE /WRONG/ 'MESS': This Guy would have some good
ideas, and You --- Mr. or Mrs. Unerotic American --- /may/ [!!!] have
already been exposed to them in the form of:

*History and Class Consciousness*
[ http://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/index.htm ]

And not M. Lukaćs' 'sophisticated love maneuvers' of... wait for it,
wait for it... /later social ontologies/.
Sincerely,

Jeffrey Rubard
Jeff Rubard
2010-02-08 23:14:59 UTC
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On Feb 8, 8:49 am, Big Red Jeff Rubard
Post by Big Red Jeff Rubard
Georg Lukacs
History & Class Consciousness
III: The Standpoint of the Proletariat
In his early Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right, Marx gave a
lapidary [/excessively correct/ for to 'screw' the "interested" --
Eds.] account of the special position of the proletariat in society
and in history, and the standpoint from which it can function as the
identical subject-object of the social and historical processes of
evolution. [Reality, you know -- ibid.] “When the proletariat
proclaims the dissolution of the previous world-order it does no more
than reveal the secret of its own existence, for it represents the
effective dissolution of that world-order.” The self-understanding of
the proletariat is therefore simultaneously the objective
understanding of the nature of society. When the proletariat furthers
its own class-aims it simultaneously achieves the conscious
realisation of the – objective – aims of society, aims which would
inevitably remain abstract possibilities and objective frontiers but
for this conscious intervention. [A "sociological totalisation" --
'Aryanist' nightmares became flesh] [1]
What change has been brought about, then, socially by this point of
view and even by the possibility of taking up a point of view at all
towards society? ‘In the first instance’ nothing at all. For the
proletariat makes its appearance as the product of the capitalist
social order. The forms in which it exists are – as we demonstrated in
Section I – the repositories of reification in its acutest and direst
form and they issue in the most extreme dehumanisation. Thus the
proletariat shares with the bourgeoisie the reification of every
aspect of its life. Marx observes: [He does, he does -- Eds. again]
“The property-owning class and the class of the proletariat represent
the same human self-alienation. But the former feels at home in this
self-alienation and feels itself confirmed by it ["By definition" --
get it?]; it recognises alienation as its own instrument and in it it
possesses the semblance of a human existence. The latter feels itself
destroyed by this alienation and sees in it its own impotence and the
reality of an inhuman existence.” [2]
1
It would appear then, that – even for Marxism – nothing has changed in
the objective situation. Only the ‘vantage point from which it is
judged’ has altered, only ‘the value placed on it’ has acquired a
different emphasis. This view does in fact contain a very essential
grain of truth, one which must constantly be borne in mind if true
insight is not to degenerate into its opposite. ["Ain't a damn thing
changed" -- I still want to say it, /but/ -- J.]
To put it more concretely: the objective reality of social existence
is in its immediacy ‘the same’ for both proletariat and bourgeoisie.
But this does not prevent the specific categories of mediation by
means of which both classes raise this immediacy to the level of
consciousness, by means of which the merely immediate reality becomes
for both the authentically objective reality, from being fundamentally
different, thanks to the different position occupied by the two
classes within the ‘same’ economic process. It is evident that once
again we are approaching – this time from another angle – the
fundamental problem of bourgeois thought, the problem of the thing-in-
itself. The belief that the transformation of the immediately given
into a truly understood (and not merely an immediately perceived) and
for that reason really objective reality, i.e. the belief that the
impact of the category of mediation upon the picture of the world is
merely ‘subjective’, i.e. is no more than an ‘evaluation’ of a reality
that ‘remains unchanged’, all this is as much as to say that objective
reality has the character of a thing-in-itself. [*DUDGEON!* -- J.
Corrigan]
It is true that the kind of knowledge which regards this ‘evaluation’
as merely ‘subjective’, as something which does not go to the heart of
the facts, nevertheless claims to penetrate the essence of actuality.
The source of its self-deception is to be found in its uncritical
attitude to the fact that its own standpoint is conditioned (and above
all that it is conditioned by the society underlying it). Thus – to
take this view of history at its most developed and most highly
articulated – we may consider Rickert’s arguments with regard to the
historian who studies “his own cultural environment.” [/Neo-
Kantianism/, you know - Jeff] He claims that: “If the historian forms
his concepts with an eye on the values of the community to which he
himself belongs, the objectivity of his presentation will depend
entirely on the accuracy of his factual material, and the question of
whether this or that event in the past is crucial will not even arise.
He will be immune from the charge of arbitrariness, as long as he
relates, e.g. the history of art to the aesthetic values of his
culture and the history of the state to its political values and, so
long as he refrains from making unhistorical value-judgements, he will
create a mode of historical narrative that is valid for all who regard
political or aesthetic values as normative for the members of his
community.” [3]
By positing the materially unknown and only formally valid ‘cultural
values’ as the founders of a ‘value-related’ historical objectivity,
the subjectivity of the historian is, to all appearances, eliminated.
However, this does no more than enthrone as the measure and the index
of objectivity, the “cultural values” actually “prevailing in his
community” (i.e. in his class). The arbitrariness and subjectivity are
transformed from the material of the particular facts and from
judgements on these into the criterion itself, into the “prevailing
cultural values.” And to judge or even investigate the validity of
these values is not possible within that framework; for the historian
the ‘cultural values’ become the thing-in-itself; a structural process
analogous to those we observed in economics and jurisprudence in
Section I. [¡*JUGENDTUM*, RÉVOLTÉ!]
---------- [Ten slashes *means* Perfection in Orthography, leading to /
correct/ leveling of charges of imperfection...]
One's "empirics" should always be as /baaaaad/ as possible. Baaaaad.
*Bad*. Seriously, /honey/. So if you had to "work your fingers right
down to the bone" --- who ever you *might* be --- a student of
Simmel's hardcore Kantian Europeanity who Just Could Not Understand
How To Operate The Social "Oscillator" [BÉLA WHATEVER!] --- and then
got MIXED UP IN THE /WRONG/ 'MESS': This Guy would have some good
ideas, and You --- Mr. or Mrs. Unerotic American --- /may/ [!!!] have
*History and Class Consciousness*
[http://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/index.htm]
And not M. Lukaćs' 'sophisticated love maneuvers' of... wait for it,
wait for it... /later social ontologies/.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey Rubard
ADDENDUM ['trad']:

Donald Davidson Today
Peli Grietzer knows a lot more than I did when I was twenty. But when
we chat, and the topic of Donald Davidson comes up, Peli doesn’t think
very much of him; I have to try to convey just how totally convincing
Davidson’s work could seem even a few years ago. For those for whom
familiarity with the lexemes “Donald Davidson” is new or fairly
recent, a little sociological stage-setting: during the period from
roughly 1970 to 1990, Donald Davidson was the most influential figure
in analytic philosophy (in both Britain and the United States).
Although his work ranged widely, three theories of his accounted for
most of his popularity: his adaptation of Tarski’s truth-definition
for logic to the purposes of natural language semantics, his theory of
actions as particular events, and his “anomalous monism” in the
philosophy of mind.

Davidsonian semantics adapts the recursive definition of truth for
logical statements Tarski developed: recursive, in that the truth of
sentences is explained in terms of the truth of subsentences, which in
turn are explained in terms of the truth of their subsentences, and so
on until we reach non-logical primitives (which are covered through
biconditionals of the form “s is true if and only if p”, p being an
equivalent term for s in the metalanguage). Tarski explained truth in
terms of a concept of satisfaction: a mathematical structure satisfies
a sentence if its structure can serve as a sort of representation of
the structure of the sentence. However, with natural language, the
concept of truth is less problematic than the concept of meaning: it’s
not easy for us to stipulate structures that “satisfy” natural
language sentences. Davidson decided to turn the direction of
explanation around, and recursively explain meaning in terms of truth:
having done this, he had the beginnings of a semantics for natural
language.

“Davidsonian” semantic programs of one sort or another were wildly
popular for many years. The same is true of approaches to the
philosophy of action inspired by his work, which was in turn deeply
influenced by the work of Elizabeth Anscombe. One of Anscombe’s major
theses was that our access to actions is “under a description”: the
same action can appear desirable and undesirable, with varying
consequences for practical rationality, without making the action a
matter of internal “representation”. Davidson attempted to formally
justify this thought by constructing a logic for action sentences
which unified descriptions of actions under events which were real in
a Quinean sense, i.e. fully quantified over. The other major strand of
Davidson’s thinking about action, somewhat counter to Anscombe and
other philosophers of action influenced by Wittgenstein, was to try to
show that reasons for an action, rather than being more or less
ineffectual “hermeneutic” guides to understanding its import, were
actually causally efficacious in the committing of the act.

Finally, Davidson upended the orthodoxy in philosophy of mind which
held that the scientifically respectable materialist answer to the
relationship between the mind and the brain was to posit identities
between mental states and states of the central nervous system.
Although he did not let go of the thought that the mental is deeply
dependent on the physical state of the human organism, and there is no
distinguishing mental states without understanding that physical
states must also differ (“supervenience”), he attempted to release the
philosophy of mind from the compulsion to think that “real” results
concerning mental states could only come in the form of lawlike
psychophysical regularities. His “anomalous monism”, which in this
fashion denied the type identity of mental and physical states while
asserting their token identity, was an instant success and influenced
the nature of debates in the philosophy of mind for many years.

So, if Davidson was such a big hit, why don’t people talk about him
much today? I think there are two major things to consider. Firstly,
Davidson was in many respects a loyal follower of his teacher Quine,
looking askance at modal logic: but modally-based arguments have won
the day, and so Davidson’s “parsimonious” positions aren’t as
appealing anymore. That’s a fairly obvious observation, but there is a
less obvious reason why Davidson isn’t as popular anymore: he was very
“modernist” in his approach to thinking about rationality. Davidson
considered his theory of rationality and choice, based upon the
Bayesianism of Frank Ramsey, to unify the various threads of his
philosophy; but this aspect of his thought never won very many
converts. I call it “modernist” because Davidson, in his writing and
teaching, linked his thinking to modernist figures in culture and the
arts: he attempted to bring something from Freud and Joyce into the
analytic equation.

The contemporary climate in analytic philosophy is by comparison
“postmodernist” in looking to ancient philosophy and scientific
results for a substantive theory of what it is to be rational,
bypassing more “procedural” approaches as unacceptably “thin” and
tinged with skepticism — but although Davidson does not yet figure as
the proprietor of such a method in the contemporary literature, I
suspect that this aspect of Davidson’s thought will receive more
treatment when he is firmly established as a “historical” figure, in
comparison to those aspects of his thought which were immediately
taken up. So I think reading Donald Davidson today should quite
substantially be an exercise in philosophico-cultural appreciation of
the motivations of the 20th century; and I think that viewed in this
way, his arguments will continue to instruct and inform.

Was the idea, but: ―
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Big Red Jeff Rubard
2010-02-09 20:43:01 UTC
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On Feb 8, 8:49 am, Big Red Jeff Rubard
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Georg Lukacs
History & Class Consciousness
III: The Standpoint of the Proletariat
In his early Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right, Marx gave a
lapidary [/excessively correct/ for to 'screw' the "interested" --
Eds.] account of the special position of the proletariat in society
and in history, and the standpoint from which it can function as the
identical subject-object of the social and historical processes of
evolution. [Reality, you know -- ibid.] “When the proletariat
proclaims the dissolution of the previous world-order it does no more
than reveal the secret of its own existence, for it represents the
effective dissolution of that world-order.” The self-understanding of
the proletariat is therefore simultaneously the objective
understanding of the nature of society. When the proletariat furthers
its own class-aims it simultaneously achieves the conscious
realisation of the – objective – aims of society, aims which would
inevitably remain abstract possibilities and objective frontiers but
for this conscious intervention. [A "sociological totalisation" --
'Aryanist' nightmares became flesh] [1]
What change has been brought about, then, socially by this point of
view and even by the possibility of taking up a point of view at all
towards society? ‘In the first instance’ nothing at all. For the
proletariat makes its appearance as the product of the capitalist
social order. The forms in which it exists are – as we demonstrated in
Section I – the repositories of reification in its acutest and direst
form and they issue in the most extreme dehumanisation. Thus the
proletariat shares with the bourgeoisie the reification of every
aspect of its life. Marx observes: [He does, he does -- Eds. again]
“The property-owning class and the class of the proletariat represent
the same human self-alienation. But the former feels at home in this
self-alienation and feels itself confirmed by it ["By definition" --
get it?]; it recognises alienation as its own instrument and in it it
possesses the semblance of a human existence. The latter feels itself
destroyed by this alienation and sees in it its own impotence and the
reality of an inhuman existence.” [2]
1
It would appear then, that – even for Marxism – nothing has changed in
the objective situation. Only the ‘vantage point from which it is
judged’ has altered, only ‘the value placed on it’ has acquired a
different emphasis. This view does in fact contain a very essential
grain of truth, one which must constantly be borne in mind if true
insight is not to degenerate into its opposite. ["Ain't a damn thing
changed" -- I still want to say it, /but/ -- J.]
To put it more concretely: the objective reality of social existence
is in its immediacy ‘the same’ for both proletariat and bourgeoisie.
But this does not prevent the specific categories of mediation by
means of which both classes raise this immediacy to the level of
consciousness, by means of which the merely immediate reality becomes
for both the authentically objective reality, from being fundamentally
different, thanks to the different position occupied by the two
classes within the ‘same’ economic process. It is evident that once
again we are approaching – this time from another angle – the
fundamental problem of bourgeois thought, the problem of the thing-in-
itself. The belief that the transformation of the immediately given
into a truly understood (and not merely an immediately perceived) and
for that reason really objective reality, i.e. the belief that the
impact of the category of mediation upon the picture of the world is
merely ‘subjective’, i.e. is no more than an ‘evaluation’ of a reality
that ‘remains unchanged’, all this is as much as to say that objective
reality has the character of a thing-in-itself. [*DUDGEON!* -- J.
Corrigan]
It is true that the kind of knowledge which regards this ‘evaluation’
as merely ‘subjective’, as something which does not go to the heart of
the facts, nevertheless claims to penetrate the essence of actuality.
The source of its self-deception is to be found in its uncritical
attitude to the fact that its own standpoint is conditioned (and above
all that it is conditioned by the society underlying it). Thus – to
take this view of history at its most developed and most highly
articulated – we may consider Rickert’s arguments with regard to the
historian who studies “his own cultural environment.” [/Neo-
Kantianism/, you know - Jeff] He claims that: “If the historian forms
his concepts with an eye on the values of the community to which he
himself belongs, the objectivity of his presentation will depend
entirely on the accuracy of his factual material, and the question of
whether this or that event in the past is crucial will not even arise.
He will be immune from the charge of arbitrariness, as long as he
relates, e.g. the history of art to the aesthetic values of his
culture and the history of the state to its political values and, so
long as he refrains from making unhistorical value-judgements, he will
create a mode of historical narrative that is valid for all who regard
political or aesthetic values as normative for the members of his
community.” [3]
By positing the materially unknown and only formally valid ‘cultural
values’ as the founders of a ‘value-related’ historical objectivity,
the subjectivity of the historian is, to all appearances, eliminated.
However, this does no more than enthrone as the measure and the index
of objectivity, the “cultural values” actually “prevailing in his
community” (i.e. in his class). The arbitrariness and subjectivity are
transformed from the material of the particular facts and from
judgements on these into the criterion itself, into the “prevailing
cultural values.” And to judge or even investigate the validity of
these values is not possible within that framework; for the historian
the ‘cultural values’ become the thing-in-itself; a structural process
analogous to those we observed in economics and jurisprudence in
Section I. [¡*JUGENDTUM*, RÉVOLTÉ!]
---------- [Ten slashes *means* Perfection in Orthography, leading to /
correct/ leveling of charges of imperfection...]
One's "empirics" should always be as /baaaaad/ as possible. Baaaaad.
*Bad*. Seriously, /honey/. So if you had to "work your fingers right
down to the bone" --- who ever you *might* be --- a student of
Simmel's hardcore Kantian Europeanity who Just Could Not Understand
How To Operate The Social "Oscillator" [BÉLA WHATEVER!] --- and then
got MIXED UP IN THE /WRONG/ 'MESS': This Guy would have some good
ideas, and You --- Mr. or Mrs. Unerotic American --- /may/ [!!!] have
*History and Class Consciousness*
[http://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/index.htm]
And not M. Lukaćs' 'sophisticated love maneuvers' of... wait for it,
wait for it... /later social ontologies/.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey Rubard
Donald Davidson Today
Peli Grietzer knows a lot more than I did when I was twenty. But when
we chat, and the topic of Donald Davidson comes up, Peli doesn’t think
very much of him; I have to try to convey just how totally convincing
Davidson’s work could seem even a few years ago. For those for whom
familiarity with the lexemes “Donald Davidson” is new or fairly
recent, a little sociological stage-setting: during the period from
roughly 1970 to 1990, Donald Davidson was the most influential figure
in analytic philosophy (in both Britain and the United States).
Although his work ranged widely, three theories of his accounted for
most of his popularity: his adaptation of Tarski’s truth-definition
for logic to the purposes of natural language semantics, his theory of
actions as particular events, and his “anomalous monism” in the
philosophy of mind.
Davidsonian semantics adapts the recursive definition of truth for
logical statements Tarski developed: recursive, in that the truth of
sentences is explained in terms of the truth of subsentences, which in
turn are explained in terms of the truth of their subsentences, and so
on until we reach non-logical primitives (which are covered through
biconditionals of the form “s is true if and only if p”, p being an
equivalent term for s in the metalanguage). Tarski explained truth in
terms of a concept of satisfaction: a mathematical structure satisfies
a sentence if its structure can serve as a sort of representation of
the structure of the sentence. However, with natural language, the
concept of truth is less problematic than the concept of meaning: it’s
not easy for us to stipulate structures that “satisfy” natural
language sentences. Davidson decided to turn the direction of
having done this, he had the beginnings of a semantics for natural
language.
“Davidsonian” semantic programs of one sort or another were wildly
popular for many years. The same is true of approaches to the
philosophy of action inspired by his work, which was in turn deeply
influenced by the work of Elizabeth Anscombe. One of Anscombe’s major
theses was that our access to actions is “under a description”: the
same action can appear desirable and undesirable, with varying
consequences for practical rationality, without making the action a
matter of internal “representation”. Davidson attempted to formally
justify this thought by constructing a logic for action sentences
which unified descriptions of actions under events which were ...
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Georg Lukacs
History & Class Consciousness
III: The Standpoint of the Proletariat
In his early Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right, Marx gave a
lapidary [/excessively correct/ for to 'screw' the "interested" --
Eds.] account of the special position of the proletariat in society
and in history, and the standpoint from which it can function as the
identical subject-object of the social and historical processes of
evolution. [Reality, you know -- ibid.] “When the proletariat
proclaims the dissolution of the previous world-order it does no more
than reveal the secret of its own existence, for it represents the
effective dissolution of that world-order.” The self-understanding of
the proletariat is therefore simultaneously the objective
understanding of the nature of society. When the proletariat furthers
its own class-aims it simultaneously achieves the conscious
realisation of the – objective – aims of society, aims which would
inevitably remain abstract possibilities and objective frontiers but
for this conscious intervention. [A "sociological totalisation" --
'Aryanist' nightmares became flesh] [1]
What change has been brought about, then, socially by this point of
view and even by the possibility of taking up a point of view at all
towards society? ‘In the first instance’ nothing at all. For the
proletariat makes its appearance as the product of the capitalist
social order. The forms in which it exists are – as we demonstrated in
Section I – the repositories of reification in its acutest and direst
form and they issue in the most extreme dehumanisation. Thus the
proletariat shares with the bourgeoisie the reification of every
aspect of its life. Marx observes: [He does, he does -- Eds. again]
“The property-owning class and the class of the proletariat represent
the same human self-alienation. But the former feels at home in this
self-alienation and feels itself confirmed by it ["By definition" --
get it?]; it recognises alienation as its own instrument and in it it
possesses the semblance of a human existence. The latter feels itself
destroyed by this alienation and sees in it its own impotence and the
reality of an inhuman existence.” [2]
1
It would appear then, that – even for Marxism – nothing has changed in
the objective situation. Only the ‘vantage point from which it is
judged’ has altered, only ‘the value placed on it’ has acquired a
different emphasis. This view does in fact contain a very essential
grain of truth, one which must constantly be borne in mind if true
insight is not to degenerate into its opposite. ["Ain't a damn thing
changed" -- I still want to say it, /but/ -- J.]
To put it more concretely: the objective reality of social existence
is in its immediacy ‘the same’ for both proletariat and bourgeoisie.
But this does not prevent the specific categories of mediation by
means of which both classes raise this immediacy to the level of
consciousness, by means of which the merely immediate reality becomes
for both the authentically objective reality, from being fundamentally
different, thanks to the different position occupied by the two
classes within the ‘same’ economic process. It is evident that once
again we are approaching – this time from another angle – the
fundamental problem of bourgeois thought, the problem of the thing-in-
itself. The belief that the transformation of the immediately given
into a truly understood (and not merely an immediately perceived) and
for that reason really objective reality, i.e. the belief that the
impact of the category of mediation upon the picture of the world is
merely ‘subjective’, i.e. is no more than an ‘evaluation’ of a reality
that ‘remains unchanged’, all this is as much as to say that objective
reality has the character of a thing-in-itself. [*DUDGEON!* -- J.
Corrigan]
It is true that the kind of knowledge which regards this ‘evaluation’
as merely ‘subjective’, as something which does not go to the heart of
the facts, nevertheless claims to penetrate the essence of actuality.
The source of its self-deception is to be found in its uncritical
attitude to the fact that its own standpoint is conditioned (and above
all that it is conditioned by the society underlying it). Thus – to
take this view of history at its most developed and most highly
articulated – we may consider Rickert’s arguments with regard to the
historian who studies “his own cultural environment.” [/Neo-
Kantianism/, you know - Jeff] He claims that: “If the historian forms
his concepts with an eye on the values of the community to which he
himself belongs, the objectivity of his presentation will depend
entirely on the accuracy of his factual material, and the question of
whether this or that event in the past is crucial will not even arise.
He will be immune from the charge of arbitrariness, as long as he
relates, e.g. the history of art to the aesthetic values of his
culture and the history of the state to its political values and, so
long as he refrains from making unhistorical value-judgements, he will
create a mode of historical narrative that is valid for all who regard
political or aesthetic values as normative for the members of his
community.” [3]
By positing the materially unknown and only formally valid ‘cultural
values’ as the founders of a ‘value-related’ historical objectivity,
the subjectivity of the historian is, to all appearances, eliminated.
However, this does no more than enthrone as the measure and the index
of objectivity, the “cultural values” actually “prevailing in his
community” (i.e. in his class). The arbitrariness and subjectivity are
transformed from the material of the particular facts and from
judgements on these into the criterion itself, into the “prevailing
cultural values.” And to judge or even investigate the validity of
these values is not possible within that framework; for the historian
the ‘cultural values’ become the thing-in-itself; a structural process
analogous to those we observed in economics and jurisprudence in
Section I. [¡*JUGENDTUM*, RÉVOLTÉ!]
---------- [Ten slashes *means* Perfection in Orthography, leading to /
correct/ leveling of charges of imperfection...]
One's "empirics" should always be as /baaaaad/ as possible. Baaaaad.
*Bad*. Seriously, /honey/. So if you had to "work your fingers right
down to the bone" --- who ever you *might* be --- a student of
Simmel's hardcore Kantian Europeanity who Just Could Not Understand
How To Operate The Social "Oscillator" [BÉLA WHATEVER!] --- and then
got MIXED UP IN THE /WRONG/ 'MESS': This Guy would have some good
ideas, and You --- Mr. or Mrs. Unerotic American --- /may/ [!!!] have
*History and Class Consciousness*
[http://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/index.htm]
And not M. Lukaćs' 'sophisticated love maneuvers' of... wait for it,
wait for it... /later social ontologies/.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey Rubard
Donald Davidson Today
Peli Grietzer knows a lot more than I did when I was twenty. But when
we chat, and the topic of Donald Davidson comes up, Peli doesn’t think
very much of him; I have to try to convey just how totally convincing
Davidson’s work could seem even a few years ago. For those for whom
familiarity with the lexemes “Donald Davidson” is new or fairly
recent, a little sociological stage-setting: during the period from
roughly 1970 to 1990, Donald Davidson was the most influential figure
in analytic philosophy (in both Britain and the United States).
Although his work ranged widely, three theories of his accounted for
most of his popularity: his adaptation of Tarski’s truth-definition
for logic to the purposes of natural language semantics, his theory of
actions as particular events, and his “anomalous monism” in the
philosophy of mind.
Davidsonian semantics adapts the recursive definition of truth for
logical statements Tarski developed: recursive, in that the truth of
sentences is explained in terms of the truth of subsentences, which in
turn are explained in terms of the truth of their subsentences, and so
on until we reach non-logical primitives (which are covered through
biconditionals of the form “s is true if and only if p”, p being an
equivalent term for s in the metalanguage). Tarski explained truth in
terms of a concept of satisfaction: a mathematical structure satisfies
a sentence if its structure can serve as a sort of representation of
the structure of the sentence. However, with natural language, the
concept of truth is less problematic than the concept of meaning: it’s
not easy for us to stipulate structures that “satisfy” natural
language sentences. Davidson decided to turn the direction of
having done this, he had the beginnings of a semantics for natural
language.
“Davidsonian” semantic programs of one sort or another were wildly
popular for many years. The same is true of approaches to the
philosophy of action inspired by his work, which was in turn deeply
influenced by the work of Elizabeth Anscombe. One of Anscombe’s major
theses was that our access
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Honesty: Thank you, Loren.
Big Red Jeff Rubard
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Georg Lukacs
History & Class Consciousness
III: The Standpoint of the Proletariat
In his early Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right, Marx gave a
lapidary [/excessively correct/ for to 'screw' the "interested" --
Eds.] account of the special position of the proletariat in society
and in history, and the standpoint from which it can function as the
identical subject-object of the social and historical processes of
evolution. [Reality, you know -- ibid.] “When the proletariat
proclaims the dissolution of the previous world-order it does no more
than reveal the secret of its own existence, for it represents the
effective dissolution of that world-order.” The self-understanding of
the proletariat is therefore simultaneously the objective
understanding of the nature of society. When the proletariat furthers
its own class-aims it simultaneously achieves the conscious
realisation of the – objective – aims of society, aims which would
inevitably remain abstract possibilities and objective frontiers but
for this conscious intervention. [A "sociological totalisation" --
'Aryanist' nightmares became flesh] [1]
What change has been brought about, then, socially by this point of
view and even by the possibility of taking up a point of view at all
towards society? ‘In the first instance’ nothing at all. For the
proletariat makes its appearance as the product of the capitalist
social order. The forms in which it exists are – as we demonstrated in
Section I – the repositories of reification in its acutest and direst
form and they issue in the most extreme dehumanisation. Thus the
proletariat shares with the bourgeoisie the reification of every
aspect of its life. Marx observes: [He does, he does -- Eds. again]
“The property-owning class and the class of the proletariat represent
the same human self-alienation. But the former feels at home in this
self-alienation and feels itself confirmed by it ["By definition" --
get it?]; it recognises alienation as its own instrument and in it it
possesses the semblance of a human existence. The latter feels itself
destroyed by this alienation and sees in it its own impotence and the
reality of an inhuman existence.” [2]
1
It would appear then, that – even for Marxism – nothing has changed in
the objective situation. Only the ‘vantage point from which it is
judged’ has altered, only ‘the value placed on it’ has acquired a
different emphasis. This view does in fact contain a very essential
grain of truth, one which must constantly be borne in mind if true
insight is not to degenerate into its opposite. ["Ain't a damn thing
changed" -- I still want to say it, /but/ -- J.]
To put it more concretely: the objective reality of social existence
is in its immediacy ‘the same’ for both proletariat and bourgeoisie.
But this does not prevent the specific categories of mediation by
means of which both classes raise this immediacy to the level of
consciousness, by means of which the merely immediate reality becomes
for both the authentically objective reality, from being fundamentally
different, thanks to the different position occupied by the two
classes within the ‘same’ economic process. It is evident that once
again we are approaching – this time from another angle – the
fundamental problem of bourgeois thought, the problem of the thing-in-
itself. The belief that the transformation of the immediately given
into a truly understood (and not merely an immediately perceived) and
for that reason really objective reality, i.e. the belief that the
impact of the category of mediation upon the picture of the world is
merely ‘subjective’, i.e. is no more than an ‘evaluation’ of a reality
that ‘remains unchanged’, all this is as much as to say that objective
reality has the character of a thing-in-itself. [*DUDGEON!* -- J.
Corrigan]
It is true that the kind of knowledge which regards this ‘evaluation’
as merely ‘subjective’, as something which does not go to the heart of
the facts, nevertheless claims to penetrate the essence of actuality.
The source of its self-deception is to be found in its uncritical
attitude to the fact that its own standpoint is conditioned (and above
all that it is conditioned by the society underlying it). Thus – to
take this view of history at its most developed and most highly
articulated – we may consider Rickert’s arguments with regard to the
historian who studies “his own cultural environment.” [/Neo-
Kantianism/, you know - Jeff] He claims that: “If the historian forms
his concepts with an eye on the values of the community to which he
himself belongs, the objectivity of his presentation will depend
entirely on the accuracy of his factual material, and the question of
whether this or that event in the past is crucial will not even arise.
He will be immune from the charge of arbitrariness, as long as he
relates, e.g. the history of art to the aesthetic values of his
culture and the history of the state to its political values and, so
long as he refrains from making unhistorical value-judgements, he will
create a mode of historical narrative that is valid for all who regard
political or aesthetic values as normative for the members of his
community.” [3]
By positing the materially unknown and only formally valid ‘cultural
values’ as the founders of a ‘value-related’ historical objectivity,
the subjectivity of the historian is, to all appearances, eliminated.
However, this does no more than enthrone as the measure and the index
of objectivity, the “cultural values” actually “prevailing in his
community” (i.e. in his class). The arbitrariness and subjectivity are
transformed from the material of the particular facts and from
judgements on these into the criterion itself, into the “prevailing
cultural values.” And to judge or even investigate the validity of
these values is not possible within that framework; for the historian
the ‘cultural values’ become the thing-in-itself; a structural process
analogous to those we observed in economics and jurisprudence in
Section I. [¡*JUGENDTUM*, RÉVOLTÉ!]
---------- [Ten slashes *means* Perfection in Orthography, leading to /
correct/ leveling of charges of imperfection...]
One's "empirics" should always be as /baaaaad/ as possible. Baaaaad.
*Bad*. Seriously, /honey/. So if you had to "work your fingers right
down to the bone" --- who ever you *might* be --- a student of
Simmel's hardcore Kantian Europeanity who Just Could Not Understand
How To Operate The Social "Oscillator" [BÉLA WHATEVER!] --- and then
got MIXED UP IN THE /WRONG/ 'MESS': This Guy would have some good
ideas, and You --- Mr. or Mrs. Unerotic American --- /may/ [!!!] have
*History and Class Consciousness*
[http://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/index.htm]
And not M. Lukaćs' 'sophisticated love maneuvers' of... wait for it,
wait for it... /later social ontologies/.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey Rubard
Donald Davidson Today
Peli Grietzer knows a lot more than I did when I was twenty. But when
we chat, and the topic of Donald Davidson comes up, Peli doesn’t think
very much of him; I have to try to convey just how totally convincing
Davidson’s work could seem even a few years ago. For those for whom
familiarity with the lexemes “Donald Davidson” is new or fairly
recent, a little sociological stage-setting: during the period from
roughly 1970 to 1990, Donald Davidson was the most influential figure
in analytic philosophy (in both Britain and the United States).
Although his work ranged widely, three theories of his accounted for
most of his popularity: his adaptation of Tarski’s truth-definition
for logic to the purposes of natural language semantics, his theory of
actions as particular events, and his “anomalous monism” in the
philosophy of mind.
Davidsonian semantics adapts the recursive definition of truth for
logical statements Tarski developed: recursive, in that the truth of
sentences is explained in terms of the truth of subsentences, which in
turn are explained in terms of the truth of their subsentences, and so
on until we reach non-logical primitives (which are covered through
biconditionals of the form “s is true if and only if p”, p being an
equivalent term for s in the metalanguage). Tarski explained truth in
terms of a concept of satisfaction: a mathematical structure satisfies
a sentence if its structure can serve as a sort of representation of
the structure of the sentence. However, with natural language, the
concept of truth is less problematic than the concept of meaning: it’s
not easy for us to stipulate structures that “satisfy” natural
language sentences. Davidson decided to turn the direction of
having done
...
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Serious: *operaísmo* — all the things you can do /with your hands/ —
Jeff Rubard
2010-02-13 17:16:19 UTC
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Davidsonian semantics adapts the recursive definition of truth for
logical statements Tarski developed: recursive, in that the truth of
sentences is explained in terms of the truth of subsentences, which in
turn are explained in terms of the truth of their subsentences, and so
on until we reach non-logical primitives (which are covered through
biconditionals of the form “s is true if and only if p”, p being an
equivalent term for s in the metalanguage). Tarski explained truth in
terms of a concept of satisfaction: a mathematical structure satisfies
a sentence if its structure can serve as a sort of representation of
the structure of the
...
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Furthermore:
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http://home.earthlink.net/~lrgoldner/
http://libcom.org/library/reading-capital-politically-cleaver
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2019-01-31 03:44:48 UTC
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Honestly, Lukacs is a pretty interesting writer; a bit more "mannered" than this, I have to say. (Incidentally his books were published in German, not Hungarian.)
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