Big Red Jeff Rubard
2010-02-04 20:33:34 UTC
One of the great surprises of the modern Internet is that *Political
Affairs* -- the 'journal' of the old Communist Party of the United
States of America -- is a *supremely* [!!] useful 'gazette' of
political commentary and opinion at the present time. Celebrated both
as "old and cold" in an 'ethnically' un-useful way, and as those who
would *mysteriously* 'endure' whilst you /sued/, the Communists
[*distincte* from the /activist/ sectors of the American masses, and /
with some reason] were "margin riders" that somehow lived it up in New
York [!!] whilst you "slaved away" on a chain-gang of some /moment/ --
ideological /or/ "practical". However, their current *metier* [!!] is
as a *Consumer Reports* [!!] of 'right-thinking': all the views you
can assess a *bón chargé* [!!] for have a /practical connection/ to /
their/ "rules for radicals" - and if it's "rightly so" this says
something about /contemporary moment/ and What /Must/ Be as concerns
the direction of /pouvóir/ [illimited political disposal over socio-
legal ideals] in /this country/. That's the way it is, and /not/ the
way /it's got to be/ [as per "LA"] -- but hey, *take a look*:
----
Obama and the End of Racism? An Interview with Jarvis Tyner
By Political Affairs
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2-04-10, 11:52 am
(Photo credit: Phil Freedman, courtesy AFL-CIO/Flickr, cc by 2.0)
Additional resources:
Political Affairs Podcast #113 - In transition: An interview on the
economic crisis, politics and struggle
It's January 6th, 2009. On this episode we discuss national politics
with Communist Party chair Sam Webb, focusing on some of the ideas in
his recent report to the Communist Party's national committee. This
interview was recorded in December 2009. Stay with us.
Download the mp3 version of episode #113 here
Political Affairs Magazine
* Frank Sinatra and the Popular Front: The Leftism of an American
Icon
* Why Class Isn’t Just Another “-ism”
* Old Struggles in a “New Age”: The CPUSA and the 1960s
* Health Disparities: When We Don't Have “the highest level of
health for all people”
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* In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts
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Editor's note: Jarvis Tyner is national executive vice chair of the
Communist Party USA.
PA: In his concession speech last November, John McCain basically said
“Okay, we’ve elected an African American President. Now I want
everybody who is discontented with things in America to just shut up.
We did what you wanted, so now it’s time to shut up and move forward.”
That’s probably an attitude that’s shared by a lot of people. What do
you make of that kind of thinking?
JARVIS TYNER: Well, we elected an African American president, which is
a wonderful thing. It is more than a wonderful thing. It was an
historic turning point for this country, given its history, but that
doesn’t mean that structural, systemic racism has disappeared. It
still is in every workplace. It is still in every public institution.
It is still a part of education. It is still part of safety on the
street. It still has half the prisons full of Black men and women.
Therefore, to say that racism has gone away is an act of racism in
itself, because it’s a total rejection of the suffering, exploitation
and oppression that people are still going through.
So John McCain doesn’t know what he is talking about. On top of that
there is a trend that says now that we have Obama in there everything
will be fine, and all that. Nobody should believe that, certainly not
anybody who understands what this country is all about. Certainly
people of color shouldn’t believe it. It is just another way to lead
people down a path where they won’t resist racism anymore. Then there
are some right-wing pundits have been criticizing civil rights leaders
and calling them a bunch of opportunists. But it is they themselves
who are the biggest opportunists. These people consider the whole
issue of civil rights to be passé. You’re day is over, they say.
Reagan started that stuff when he told Jesse Jackson and the movement
that your time is not now – your time has passed and it is not coming
back. He made that point very directly.
In the meantime, these right wing opportunists have gone out and
organized one of the most racist movements we have seen in this
country in 40 years. These are the Tea Party people and the astro-
turfers who sprang up around the health care issue like they were some
kind of spontaneous movement. We know that they were well financed and
linked to extreme right wing think tanks and the insurance companies.
This movement, the way they treat the President, is racist. I think
people understand that. It is an intolerant movement. Look at the
signs they carry, putting a white face on the President like a
minstrel. And saying that President Obama is some kind of Hitler and
things like that. Then there’s the notion that he is going to
introduce white slavery, as some of them are saying.
They also use red-baiting, which is something they have always done to
the civil rights movement and fighters against racism – linking them
to socialism and communism and red-baiting them. They can then claim
that their actions against him aren’t racist and that they are acting
against him to save the Republic from socialism and that kind of
thing. The linking of the two has been a long-term pattern of the
ultra-right and their racist attempts to defend racism and protect Jim
Crow, all the things that we have suffered through over the years. The
reality is that we cannot be passive about what is going on. I think
we have to make a real effort now to expose what this Tea Party
Movement is about, and all the other similar groups that helped to
elect Scott Brown in Massachusetts. If we do so, hopefully by November
they will be more isolated and unable to achieve similar successes.
PA: The Obama election campaign and victory was probably the biggest
national show of interracial working-class solidarity in decades. Now
you have the Tea Party people and Pat Buchanan and some of these other
right-wing talking heads trying to force a wedge between whites and
blacks and other people of color who strongly supported that
grassroots campaign. What is it going to take for the labor-led
people’s movement that elected him to maintain its unity?
TYNER: One of the great things about the last election was the role of
the AFL-CIO. Richard Trumka made that fantastic speech calling on
working people, particularly white working people, to get involved in
the fight against racism and to elect Obama. And a lot of that
happened. Even though a majority of whites who went to the polls voted
for McCain, or other than for Obama, the fact is that 43 percent of
the white voters did vote for Obama, which is higher than what Kerry
got in the previous election. Now we’re not satisfied with that, but
we are happy that there was progress in that regard and that his
campaign saw a lot of breakthroughs.
Secondly, the AFL-CIO is continuing to adopt an anti-racist posture by
participating with Black churches, the NAACP, and other organizations
around the fight for jobs and health care, and around all the issues
that are vital to advancing things in this country, including being
against racism. That is very very important.
Pat Buchanan really shouldn’t be on the air, if you ask me. But who am
I to decide that? Every chance he gets, if he can get away with it, he
tries to drive a wedge between black and white. He says that white
people are never going to accept this. He said that during the whole
campaign when Obama was running. He said you just wait and see, white
people will not vote for him. But the truth is that although a
majority of white voters who went to the polls didn’t, a larger
minority of white voters voted Democratic and for Obama than in the
previous election. The fact is this country is a multiracial country,
and the majority of people who went to the polls voted for Obama-
Biden.
We have to work with those who lag behind in their understanding.
Martin Luther King said we have to work with of our less conscious
sisters and brethren who do not realize how evil racism is. We have to
work with them, especially those who are working people, in order to
move them toward a more rational understanding of why racism is
holding them back too. It seems to me that we really need an anti-
racist upsurge against these new right-wing groups. To do that we need
to emphasize the issues of jobs, health care, a cleaner environment,
and schools – all the things that we as a people need, all the things
that we can’t achieve because of racism and disunity. I don’t think we
have fallen back from the election, in the feeling in the country and
in the desire for change. But I do think there is a lot of confusion
out there. The right has pushed very hard to foster racial division
and it’s had an impact, but I think it can be reversed and we can go
forward.
PA: Let's talk a little about Black History Month. Do you think that a
lot of whites today see Black History Month as something that only
African Americans need to celebrate? Don't white Americans also have a
reason to celebrate Black history too?
TYNER: I think that a lot of whites do understand this, but there is a
constant struggle to elevate the anti-racist consciousness out there.
I am not with those who want to abandon Black History Month, those who
say white people can’t be convinced, or you can’t build unity. The
last election shows you can build broad, multiracial unity based on
democratic values and expanding democracy, on the question of jobs and
peace, and all the other issues. I think the possibility of bringing
more people into the movement is very important, especially when you
have an African American President.
And, keep in mind, with an African American President you see the
opposition against him taking on an inherently racist form, both in
the nature of their rhetoric and the symbols they use. They are
appealing especially to a certain racist, visceral feeling among many
whites. To me the fact that Obama and the first family are African
American requires an even higher level of struggle against racism than
we had before. Remember when the right wing said that he couldn’t
speak to the school children because he would introduce them to
socialist ideas? Now that wasn’t about socialism (I’ll say something
about the socialist part in a minute), it was about the fact he was a
Black president and that he would be fostering unity. It was about
their fear that the younger generation would have an image of the
President of the United States, the most important elected official in
the country, as an African American, and that they would hear from him
about the importance of staying in school. He would assume a hero
status for them – which he already is with a lot of them. That is what
they are fearful of, that black, white and brown, Native American and
Asian, will all get together and fight for justice, peace and economic
equality.
The fight against racism has to be part of every struggle for jobs,
for health care, for the environment, all those things. You have to
link it to them, because it is linked, and because the attack of the
enemy is a racist attack against an African American President whom
they deeply resent. In their mind this a “white country” and the
president should be white. That is the kind of ignorance we are
dealing with, and it is time that we take it on and advance everyone’s
thinking.
Now about the charge of socialism and the red-baiting of Obama. Obama
is certainly no socialist, and socialism does not emerge out of some
conspiracy. I keep saying that when I speak in various places. It is
not a conspiracy. It grows out of human need. For instance, we cannot
solve the health care crisis without some element of public ownership.
You can’t do it. In fact, I think that once we start going down the
road of health care reform, people will see that it is necessary to
have a single payer system that is accessible to everybody. Frankly,
to me getting quality health care should come with your birth.
I think that when people see the economic problems we are facing –
what happened on Wall Street and in the housing market, and the
resulting massive loss of jobs, they do begin to question capitalism –
and they have a right to question capitalism. I heard a reporter on
television this morning saying he was in Europe and everybody there is
questioning capitalism. He was with a number of CEOs at some
conference, business executives from India, France, Germany and other
places, and they were saying that they were all following the American
path to prosperity, and now that it has collapsed they don’t think
that model is workable anymore. Has capitalism lost its viability?
Yes, it definitely has, and as a consequence the right wing is
stubbornly trying to block people from thinking in a healthy and
natural direction. If capitalism isn’t working, why not go in a
socialist direction? Isn’t socialism an alternative that at least
ought to be examined?
Of course, in our view, there is no question we ought to be heading
that way. But we Communists have to be very sophisticated in this
period on how we respond to things. The main thing we have to do is
build unity with the broad mass of people, those who are now going
through a radical transformation in their way of thinking, those who
want to see this country become a better country and want to see a
more peaceful world. People are tired of 30 years of right-wing
misdirection. They are fed up with that. They are looking for
something better. According to a recent Pew Research poll a
considerable percentage of people even have a preference for socialism
- and they have the right to do that. To me this is healthy and
natural, and it isn’t any conspiracy – it’s just people trying to live
a better life.
PA: Could you give us your top moments in Black American history?
TYNER: Well, the first one would obviously be the overthrow of
slavery, the beginning of Reconstruction, and the establishment of the
new democracy. That was very very important. It was a turning point
for the nation as a whole.
Next comes the beginning of the modern Civil Rights Movement, which
did not just begin in the 1960s. It actually started happening in the
30s and 40s. I was at a book party the other night for a new book
called Red Activists and Black Freedom by James and Esther Jackson. It
talks about a period in the struggle for civil rights that, due to the
McCarthy period, has been really erased from the history books. That
struggle was based on the great efforts of the Left and the Communist
Party, black, brown and white, who went into the Deep South to
register voters and organize against Jim Crow. That was really the
beginning. It laid the foundation for the great things that happened
in the 60s. There are so many things.
I think that the defeat of Goldwater in 1964 was very important.
Otherwise we would not have had a Civil Rights Bill and all the other
social programs that Lyndon Johnson was won to support.
I also would include how our country renewed its anti-racism during
the period of anti-apartheid. When 1991 happened and the socialist
countries collapsed, all was gloom and doom for those of us who
thought socialism was the best next step for humanity. All of a
sudden, though, racist apartheid, really fascist apartheid, collapsed,
and then came this new democracy in South Africa. That was a
tremendous movement on a world scale. There are so many other things,
the collapse of the colonial world, etc, etc. To me these things mean
a lot.
I also think the freeing of Angela Davis was very important, because
when Angela Davis, who was the target of racism and anti-communism,
was freed it really established a great precedent that allowed us to
move forward. Then there was Dr. Du Bois becoming a Communist in 1968.
Martin Luther King said that he was a brilliant man and that was his
choice. All these moments, in every period of our country’s history,
have helped to strengthen the ideological and political struggle
against racism. I am just happy to have lived through a lot of it.
PA: In other words, collective movements and struggles are more
important in your view than individual achievements?
TYNER: We as a people have never made any great change solely on the
basis of individual effort. It has always been made by movements and
collective action, and that is why we now need to go forward, more
than ever maybe. That’s our history.
----
The conversation then took a philosophical turn. JOHNSON. "Human
experience, which is constantly contradicting theory, is the great
test of truth. A system, built upon the discoveries of a great many
minds, is always of more strength, than what is produced by the mere
workings of any one mind, which, of itself, can do little. There is
not so poor a book in the world that would not be a prodigious effort
were it wrought out entirely by a single mind, without the aid of
prior investigators. The French writers are superficial, because they
are not scholars, and so proceed upon the mere power of their own
minds; and we see how very little power they have."
"As to the Christian Religion, Sir, besides the strong evidence which
we have for it, there is a balance in its favour from the number of
great men who have been convinced of its truth, after a serious
consideration of the question. Grotius was an acute man, a lawyer, a
man accustomed to examine evidence, and he was convinced. Grotius was
not a recluse, but a man of the world, who certainly had no bias to
the side of religion. Sir Isaac Newton set out an infidel, and came to
be a very firm believer."
He this evening again recommended to me to perambulate Spain.34 I said
it would amuse him to get a letter from me dated at Salamancha.
JOHNSON. "I love the University of Salamancha; for when the Spaniards
were in doubt as to the lawfulness of their conquering America, the
University of Salamancha gave it as their opinion that it was not
lawful." He spoke this with great emotion, and with that generous
warmth which dictated the lines in his "London," against Spanish
encroachment.
*Life of Johnson*, ed. Jack Lynch
----
Political Affairs [*sans phrase*]
http://www.politicalaffairs.net/
And, after Bathing at "Baxter's":
http://www.cleveland.com/plaindealer/
Tell 'em "Frenchy" sent you.
Affairs* -- the 'journal' of the old Communist Party of the United
States of America -- is a *supremely* [!!] useful 'gazette' of
political commentary and opinion at the present time. Celebrated both
as "old and cold" in an 'ethnically' un-useful way, and as those who
would *mysteriously* 'endure' whilst you /sued/, the Communists
[*distincte* from the /activist/ sectors of the American masses, and /
with some reason] were "margin riders" that somehow lived it up in New
York [!!] whilst you "slaved away" on a chain-gang of some /moment/ --
ideological /or/ "practical". However, their current *metier* [!!] is
as a *Consumer Reports* [!!] of 'right-thinking': all the views you
can assess a *bón chargé* [!!] for have a /practical connection/ to /
their/ "rules for radicals" - and if it's "rightly so" this says
something about /contemporary moment/ and What /Must/ Be as concerns
the direction of /pouvóir/ [illimited political disposal over socio-
legal ideals] in /this country/. That's the way it is, and /not/ the
way /it's got to be/ [as per "LA"] -- but hey, *take a look*:
----
Obama and the End of Racism? An Interview with Jarvis Tyner
By Political Affairs
click here for related stories: democracy matters
2-04-10, 11:52 am
(Photo credit: Phil Freedman, courtesy AFL-CIO/Flickr, cc by 2.0)
Additional resources:
Political Affairs Podcast #113 - In transition: An interview on the
economic crisis, politics and struggle
It's January 6th, 2009. On this episode we discuss national politics
with Communist Party chair Sam Webb, focusing on some of the ideas in
his recent report to the Communist Party's national committee. This
interview was recorded in December 2009. Stay with us.
Download the mp3 version of episode #113 here
Political Affairs Magazine
* Frank Sinatra and the Popular Front: The Leftism of an American
Icon
* Why Class Isn’t Just Another “-ism”
* Old Struggles in a “New Age”: The CPUSA and the 1960s
* Health Disparities: When We Don't Have “the highest level of
health for all people”
Subscribe to this Feed
Headlines by FeedBurner
PA Editors Blog
* In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts
* Amendment overturning SCOTUS corporate speech ruling
* OBAMA'S SECRET PRISONS
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Headlines by FeedBurner
Follow PA on Twitter
Editor's note: Jarvis Tyner is national executive vice chair of the
Communist Party USA.
PA: In his concession speech last November, John McCain basically said
“Okay, we’ve elected an African American President. Now I want
everybody who is discontented with things in America to just shut up.
We did what you wanted, so now it’s time to shut up and move forward.”
That’s probably an attitude that’s shared by a lot of people. What do
you make of that kind of thinking?
JARVIS TYNER: Well, we elected an African American president, which is
a wonderful thing. It is more than a wonderful thing. It was an
historic turning point for this country, given its history, but that
doesn’t mean that structural, systemic racism has disappeared. It
still is in every workplace. It is still in every public institution.
It is still a part of education. It is still part of safety on the
street. It still has half the prisons full of Black men and women.
Therefore, to say that racism has gone away is an act of racism in
itself, because it’s a total rejection of the suffering, exploitation
and oppression that people are still going through.
So John McCain doesn’t know what he is talking about. On top of that
there is a trend that says now that we have Obama in there everything
will be fine, and all that. Nobody should believe that, certainly not
anybody who understands what this country is all about. Certainly
people of color shouldn’t believe it. It is just another way to lead
people down a path where they won’t resist racism anymore. Then there
are some right-wing pundits have been criticizing civil rights leaders
and calling them a bunch of opportunists. But it is they themselves
who are the biggest opportunists. These people consider the whole
issue of civil rights to be passé. You’re day is over, they say.
Reagan started that stuff when he told Jesse Jackson and the movement
that your time is not now – your time has passed and it is not coming
back. He made that point very directly.
In the meantime, these right wing opportunists have gone out and
organized one of the most racist movements we have seen in this
country in 40 years. These are the Tea Party people and the astro-
turfers who sprang up around the health care issue like they were some
kind of spontaneous movement. We know that they were well financed and
linked to extreme right wing think tanks and the insurance companies.
This movement, the way they treat the President, is racist. I think
people understand that. It is an intolerant movement. Look at the
signs they carry, putting a white face on the President like a
minstrel. And saying that President Obama is some kind of Hitler and
things like that. Then there’s the notion that he is going to
introduce white slavery, as some of them are saying.
They also use red-baiting, which is something they have always done to
the civil rights movement and fighters against racism – linking them
to socialism and communism and red-baiting them. They can then claim
that their actions against him aren’t racist and that they are acting
against him to save the Republic from socialism and that kind of
thing. The linking of the two has been a long-term pattern of the
ultra-right and their racist attempts to defend racism and protect Jim
Crow, all the things that we have suffered through over the years. The
reality is that we cannot be passive about what is going on. I think
we have to make a real effort now to expose what this Tea Party
Movement is about, and all the other similar groups that helped to
elect Scott Brown in Massachusetts. If we do so, hopefully by November
they will be more isolated and unable to achieve similar successes.
PA: The Obama election campaign and victory was probably the biggest
national show of interracial working-class solidarity in decades. Now
you have the Tea Party people and Pat Buchanan and some of these other
right-wing talking heads trying to force a wedge between whites and
blacks and other people of color who strongly supported that
grassroots campaign. What is it going to take for the labor-led
people’s movement that elected him to maintain its unity?
TYNER: One of the great things about the last election was the role of
the AFL-CIO. Richard Trumka made that fantastic speech calling on
working people, particularly white working people, to get involved in
the fight against racism and to elect Obama. And a lot of that
happened. Even though a majority of whites who went to the polls voted
for McCain, or other than for Obama, the fact is that 43 percent of
the white voters did vote for Obama, which is higher than what Kerry
got in the previous election. Now we’re not satisfied with that, but
we are happy that there was progress in that regard and that his
campaign saw a lot of breakthroughs.
Secondly, the AFL-CIO is continuing to adopt an anti-racist posture by
participating with Black churches, the NAACP, and other organizations
around the fight for jobs and health care, and around all the issues
that are vital to advancing things in this country, including being
against racism. That is very very important.
Pat Buchanan really shouldn’t be on the air, if you ask me. But who am
I to decide that? Every chance he gets, if he can get away with it, he
tries to drive a wedge between black and white. He says that white
people are never going to accept this. He said that during the whole
campaign when Obama was running. He said you just wait and see, white
people will not vote for him. But the truth is that although a
majority of white voters who went to the polls didn’t, a larger
minority of white voters voted Democratic and for Obama than in the
previous election. The fact is this country is a multiracial country,
and the majority of people who went to the polls voted for Obama-
Biden.
We have to work with those who lag behind in their understanding.
Martin Luther King said we have to work with of our less conscious
sisters and brethren who do not realize how evil racism is. We have to
work with them, especially those who are working people, in order to
move them toward a more rational understanding of why racism is
holding them back too. It seems to me that we really need an anti-
racist upsurge against these new right-wing groups. To do that we need
to emphasize the issues of jobs, health care, a cleaner environment,
and schools – all the things that we as a people need, all the things
that we can’t achieve because of racism and disunity. I don’t think we
have fallen back from the election, in the feeling in the country and
in the desire for change. But I do think there is a lot of confusion
out there. The right has pushed very hard to foster racial division
and it’s had an impact, but I think it can be reversed and we can go
forward.
PA: Let's talk a little about Black History Month. Do you think that a
lot of whites today see Black History Month as something that only
African Americans need to celebrate? Don't white Americans also have a
reason to celebrate Black history too?
TYNER: I think that a lot of whites do understand this, but there is a
constant struggle to elevate the anti-racist consciousness out there.
I am not with those who want to abandon Black History Month, those who
say white people can’t be convinced, or you can’t build unity. The
last election shows you can build broad, multiracial unity based on
democratic values and expanding democracy, on the question of jobs and
peace, and all the other issues. I think the possibility of bringing
more people into the movement is very important, especially when you
have an African American President.
And, keep in mind, with an African American President you see the
opposition against him taking on an inherently racist form, both in
the nature of their rhetoric and the symbols they use. They are
appealing especially to a certain racist, visceral feeling among many
whites. To me the fact that Obama and the first family are African
American requires an even higher level of struggle against racism than
we had before. Remember when the right wing said that he couldn’t
speak to the school children because he would introduce them to
socialist ideas? Now that wasn’t about socialism (I’ll say something
about the socialist part in a minute), it was about the fact he was a
Black president and that he would be fostering unity. It was about
their fear that the younger generation would have an image of the
President of the United States, the most important elected official in
the country, as an African American, and that they would hear from him
about the importance of staying in school. He would assume a hero
status for them – which he already is with a lot of them. That is what
they are fearful of, that black, white and brown, Native American and
Asian, will all get together and fight for justice, peace and economic
equality.
The fight against racism has to be part of every struggle for jobs,
for health care, for the environment, all those things. You have to
link it to them, because it is linked, and because the attack of the
enemy is a racist attack against an African American President whom
they deeply resent. In their mind this a “white country” and the
president should be white. That is the kind of ignorance we are
dealing with, and it is time that we take it on and advance everyone’s
thinking.
Now about the charge of socialism and the red-baiting of Obama. Obama
is certainly no socialist, and socialism does not emerge out of some
conspiracy. I keep saying that when I speak in various places. It is
not a conspiracy. It grows out of human need. For instance, we cannot
solve the health care crisis without some element of public ownership.
You can’t do it. In fact, I think that once we start going down the
road of health care reform, people will see that it is necessary to
have a single payer system that is accessible to everybody. Frankly,
to me getting quality health care should come with your birth.
I think that when people see the economic problems we are facing –
what happened on Wall Street and in the housing market, and the
resulting massive loss of jobs, they do begin to question capitalism –
and they have a right to question capitalism. I heard a reporter on
television this morning saying he was in Europe and everybody there is
questioning capitalism. He was with a number of CEOs at some
conference, business executives from India, France, Germany and other
places, and they were saying that they were all following the American
path to prosperity, and now that it has collapsed they don’t think
that model is workable anymore. Has capitalism lost its viability?
Yes, it definitely has, and as a consequence the right wing is
stubbornly trying to block people from thinking in a healthy and
natural direction. If capitalism isn’t working, why not go in a
socialist direction? Isn’t socialism an alternative that at least
ought to be examined?
Of course, in our view, there is no question we ought to be heading
that way. But we Communists have to be very sophisticated in this
period on how we respond to things. The main thing we have to do is
build unity with the broad mass of people, those who are now going
through a radical transformation in their way of thinking, those who
want to see this country become a better country and want to see a
more peaceful world. People are tired of 30 years of right-wing
misdirection. They are fed up with that. They are looking for
something better. According to a recent Pew Research poll a
considerable percentage of people even have a preference for socialism
- and they have the right to do that. To me this is healthy and
natural, and it isn’t any conspiracy – it’s just people trying to live
a better life.
PA: Could you give us your top moments in Black American history?
TYNER: Well, the first one would obviously be the overthrow of
slavery, the beginning of Reconstruction, and the establishment of the
new democracy. That was very very important. It was a turning point
for the nation as a whole.
Next comes the beginning of the modern Civil Rights Movement, which
did not just begin in the 1960s. It actually started happening in the
30s and 40s. I was at a book party the other night for a new book
called Red Activists and Black Freedom by James and Esther Jackson. It
talks about a period in the struggle for civil rights that, due to the
McCarthy period, has been really erased from the history books. That
struggle was based on the great efforts of the Left and the Communist
Party, black, brown and white, who went into the Deep South to
register voters and organize against Jim Crow. That was really the
beginning. It laid the foundation for the great things that happened
in the 60s. There are so many things.
I think that the defeat of Goldwater in 1964 was very important.
Otherwise we would not have had a Civil Rights Bill and all the other
social programs that Lyndon Johnson was won to support.
I also would include how our country renewed its anti-racism during
the period of anti-apartheid. When 1991 happened and the socialist
countries collapsed, all was gloom and doom for those of us who
thought socialism was the best next step for humanity. All of a
sudden, though, racist apartheid, really fascist apartheid, collapsed,
and then came this new democracy in South Africa. That was a
tremendous movement on a world scale. There are so many other things,
the collapse of the colonial world, etc, etc. To me these things mean
a lot.
I also think the freeing of Angela Davis was very important, because
when Angela Davis, who was the target of racism and anti-communism,
was freed it really established a great precedent that allowed us to
move forward. Then there was Dr. Du Bois becoming a Communist in 1968.
Martin Luther King said that he was a brilliant man and that was his
choice. All these moments, in every period of our country’s history,
have helped to strengthen the ideological and political struggle
against racism. I am just happy to have lived through a lot of it.
PA: In other words, collective movements and struggles are more
important in your view than individual achievements?
TYNER: We as a people have never made any great change solely on the
basis of individual effort. It has always been made by movements and
collective action, and that is why we now need to go forward, more
than ever maybe. That’s our history.
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The conversation then took a philosophical turn. JOHNSON. "Human
experience, which is constantly contradicting theory, is the great
test of truth. A system, built upon the discoveries of a great many
minds, is always of more strength, than what is produced by the mere
workings of any one mind, which, of itself, can do little. There is
not so poor a book in the world that would not be a prodigious effort
were it wrought out entirely by a single mind, without the aid of
prior investigators. The French writers are superficial, because they
are not scholars, and so proceed upon the mere power of their own
minds; and we see how very little power they have."
"As to the Christian Religion, Sir, besides the strong evidence which
we have for it, there is a balance in its favour from the number of
great men who have been convinced of its truth, after a serious
consideration of the question. Grotius was an acute man, a lawyer, a
man accustomed to examine evidence, and he was convinced. Grotius was
not a recluse, but a man of the world, who certainly had no bias to
the side of religion. Sir Isaac Newton set out an infidel, and came to
be a very firm believer."
He this evening again recommended to me to perambulate Spain.34 I said
it would amuse him to get a letter from me dated at Salamancha.
JOHNSON. "I love the University of Salamancha; for when the Spaniards
were in doubt as to the lawfulness of their conquering America, the
University of Salamancha gave it as their opinion that it was not
lawful." He spoke this with great emotion, and with that generous
warmth which dictated the lines in his "London," against Spanish
encroachment.
*Life of Johnson*, ed. Jack Lynch
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